BUCK: Clay, I want you to do a little lawyering here for us.
BUCK: Here what we know. “Among Those Who Marched into the Capitol on Jan. 6: An F.B.I. Informant.” This is not from RightWingCrazy.com. This is the New York Times. So LeftWingCrazy.com, actually.
BUCK: “A member of the far-right Proud Boys texted his FBI handler during the assault, but maintained the group had no plan in advance to enter the Capitol and disrupt the election certification.” Here’s just a little bit of this: “As scores of Proud Boys made their way, chanting and shouting, toward the Capitol on January 6, one member of the far-right group was busy texting a real-time account of the march.
“The recipient was his FBI handler. … In the informant’s version of events, the Proud Boys … were largely following a pro-Trump mob consumed by a herd mentality rather than carrying out any type of preplanned attack.” Gee, it sounds like people got carried away in a big crowd and engaged in a riot, not an insurrection to overthrow the United States government. Gee, that’s kind of what it sounds like to me, Clay.
CLAY: Yeah. And again, I would say that the number one story to me about in the riot on January 6th is, one, how much different this has been treated than months of Black Lives Matter riots which were “mostly peaceful protests” as we’ve long been told. But a failure of security, right, because it wasn’t as if the people who ended in the Capitol… We’ve seen the videos that came out, by the way, last week and got very limited attention mostly showing people walking around taking selfies inside like tourists as opposed to people who were trying to overthrow the government.
BUCK: If you made a video of people walking around your standard art museum, it would have looked like this.
BUCK: I’m not saying the whole thing but that video that was released people kind of milling about sort of taking a selfie, standing around, looking around, not exactly an insurrection.
CLAY: Right, and many of these entrances were not even overrun. It was like the police just said, “Okay, we’re not even gonna fight over this” —
BUCK: They strolled in!
CLAY: — and stepped out of the way. So the doors were open. There’s a big mass of people that are going in, and you go in and you take a picture. I bet a lot of those people had never been in the United States Capitol before. Now, did some people take the step beyond that and deserve to be charged with crimes? Yes, in the same way that so many people deserve to be charged with crimes in the Black Lives Matter protests that occurred for months all over this country.
And, by the way, Buck, the officially the news has come out — we talked about this, I believe, on Thursday or Friday — what the FBI data was going to say for 2020. Well, now it’s officially official and we had the largest increase in murders in the history of the country since 1960.
BUCK: And it’s so important that everyone remember, it’s not really the increase in murders in the year 2020. It’s the increase in murders starting in June for six months!
CLAY: Yes, ’cause they’re gonna try to blame covid.
BUCK: They’re gonna say that somehow covid is the reason for this.
CLAY: Which actually would work against it because we were under the rate of murder because so many cities were locked down in March, April and May until the George Floyd protest started, there was no massive increase in murder at all.
BUCK: It’s very straightforward. When one political party, which is the Democrat Party in this country, embraces a narrative of both lawlessness and victimology at the hands of cops, very bad things happen — and disproportionately happen in high crime, majority minority neighborhoods in major cities. That is the reality. They can try to say other things as much as they want.
CLAY: Thousands of mostly young black residents of inner cities are dead now — thousands — that would not have been dead otherwise, probably.